Committees of 3 From 8: How Many?
A club forms a 3-person committee from 8 members.
How many different committees are possible?
You counted ordered selections last lesson. Is a committee ordered?
Recap: Ordered Would Be 8P3 = 336
If order mattered, we'd count ordered lists:
But a committee isn't a ranking. Let's check whether 336 overcounts.
Same Committee, Counted Six Times
{Ana, Ben, Cyd} is the same committee as {Cyd, Ben, Ana} — all 6 orders are one.
Each Committee Was Counted 3! = 6 Times
Every unordered committee of 3 corresponds to
So to get the committees, divide the ordered count by 6.
Divide: 8C3 = 336 / 6 = 56
The actual number of committees:
There are 56 distinct 3-person committees from 8 people.
A Combination Is an Unordered Selection
A combination counts the unordered selections of
- The committee: an unordered selection of 3 from 8
nCr = nPr/r! = n!/(r!(n−r)!)
The general combination formula, two equivalent forms:
- Start from the permutation, divide by
- The extra
removes the duplicate orderings
The Decision: Does Order Matter?
The one question that picks your tool:
Does order matter?
- Yes → permutation (rankings, positions, passwords)
- No → combination (committees, hands, toppings)
Paired Example: Officers vs Committee
- Officers (order matters):
- Committee (order doesn't):
Permutation or Combination for This Hand?
You deal a 5-card hand from a deck. Does the order you receive the cards matter?
Decide before advancing — then you'll know which tool to count with.
Now Count Favorable and Total
Counting tools let us find probabilities for huge sample spaces.
In a uniform model:
When you can't list outcomes, count them with permutations or combinations.
Lottery Odds: Counting With a Combination
Choose 6 numbers from 49; order doesn't matter.
One winning set out of nearly 14 million — about 1 in 14 million.
Card Hand: Favorable / 52C5
The chance of a specific kind of 5-card hand:
A dealt hand is unordered — so total is a combination, and favorable must be too.
Count Favorable and Total the Same Way
The consistency rule:
Count favorable and total by the same method.
- Both unordered (combinations), or both ordered (permutations)
- A quick check: favorable
total, and
Your Turn: Compute a Probability, Then Interpret
From 8 people, a 3-person team is chosen at random. Ana is one of the 8.
Find
Count favorable and total the same way, then say what the answer means.
Two Common Errors to Watch For
Overcounting unordered: using a permutation for a committee
Divide out the
Mixed methods: favorable ordered but total unordered
Count both the same way, or the ratio is meaningless.
Decide Order, Then Count Both Consistently
✓ Ask does order matter? — no → combination, divide by
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Next: these counting tools feed the binomial distribution and combinatorics in advanced courses.